cafouilli routier sur les terminaux
Par Marc Migraine le vendredi 29 janvier 2010, 16:42 - Port et économie - Lien permanent
Polémique
sur les terminaux.... depuis déjà quelques mois les camions
attendent des heures devant les terminaux de port 2000.
Avec la grève et les intempéries (entre 3 et 13 heures d’attente)
de mi-janvier le ton est monté entre
les chauffeurs de poids lourds et les dockers.
Pb d'organisation entre les opérateurs de terminaux, les sociétés de transport routier, le GPMH ?, les transitaires ?
Avez-vous des précisions à apporter ?
Merci,
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Les terminaux déneigés par les agents du PAH étaient très vite accessibles pour nos amis routiers.
Depuis que les champions du privé ont pris la main, l'accès aux terminaux de port 2000 et bougaiville est devenu impossible à la moindre couche de neige, et cela pendant plusieurs jours!!
Avez-vous connaissances des moyens de TPO et Bougainville pour déneiger?
Un mini tracteur muni d'une trémie digne d'un moulin à café de ma grand-mère pour saler le parc de plusieurs dizaines d'hectares!!
Merci qui? les demandeurs de la réforme?
conclusion: nous retournons 25 ans en arrière et les routiers ont raison d'être mécontents.
Les terminaux déneigés par les agents du PAH étaient très vite accessibles pour nos amis routiers.
Depuis que les champions du privé ont pris la main, l'accès aux terminaux de port 2000 et bougaiville est devenu impossible à la moindre couche de neige, et cela pendant plusieurs jours!!
Avez-vous connaissances des moyens de TPO et Bougainville pour déneiger?
Un mini tracteur muni d'une trémie digne d'un moulin à café de ma grand-mère pour saler le parc de plusieurs dizaines d'hectares!!
Merci qui? les demandeurs de la réforme?
conclusion: nous retournons 25 ans en arrière et les routiers ont raison d'être mécontents.
mais rappelons aussi que dans un grand nombre de ports dans le monde les routiers ont rdv pour livrer leur conteneur.
Par ailleurs il faut noter que les acces aux terminaux étaient aussi impossible du au poids lourd sur toutes les files de circulation... donc pas de personnel sur les terminaux , pas de prise en charge ..... etc
mais rappelons aussi que dans un grand nombre de ports dans le monde les routiers ont rdv pour livrer leur conteneur.
Par ailleurs il faut noter que les acces aux terminaux étaient aussi impossible du au poids lourd sur toutes les files de circulation... donc pas de personnel sur les terminaux , pas de prise en charge ..... etc
Ouai enfin la réforme n'est pas encore effective personne pour l'instant n'est transferer , il y a eut les mèmes problémes de neige sur d'autres terminaux ( Felixtowe notament ) ainsi que chez nous fin 2005 entre autre à une heure ou personne ne parlait de réforme !
Ouai enfin la réforme n'est pas encore effective personne pour l'instant n'est transferer , il y a eut les mèmes problémes de neige sur d'autres terminaux ( Felixtowe notament ) ainsi que chez nous fin 2005 entre autre à une heure ou personne ne parlait de réforme !
Vives la cgt gpmh qui a réussit en une seule semaine a nous faire enfin une annonce concrète dans son AG : la carte va augmenter de 4% , super aussi de se gourrer de de jour de grève.... Et de réclamer à cors et à cris des négociation sur la réforme et en mème temps de pas aller aux réunions qui traitent de ce mème sujet , bref bien partis pour figurrer prochainement à l'affiche du jamel comedy club !!!!!!
Vives la cgt gpmh qui a réussit en une seule semaine a nous faire enfin une annonce concrète dans son AG : la carte va augmenter de 4% , super aussi de se gourrer de de jour de grève.... Et de réclamer à cors et à cris des négociation sur la réforme et en mème temps de pas aller aux réunions qui traitent de ce mème sujet , bref bien partis pour figurrer prochainement à l'affiche du jamel comedy club !!!!!!
aux intellos
qui etes vous pour dire des c..... pareilles?
surement des personnes qui ne sont pas du terrain car si vous vous en etes apercu il n'y a que les copains des quais qui font greve et pas les autres categorie de personnel du port qui eux dorment la nuit et sont chez eux tous les we alors chaque chose a sa place et tout le monde sera content de casser encore les portuaires
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aux intellos
qui etes vous pour dire des c..... pareilles?
surement des personnes qui ne sont pas du terrain car si vous vous en etes apercu il n'y a que les copains des quais qui font greve et pas les autres categorie de personnel du port qui eux dorment la nuit et sont chez eux tous les we alors chaque chose a sa place et tout le monde sera content de casser encore les portuaires
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Quelle que soit l'origine de ces cafouillages, tout cela doit une fois de plus bien faire rire les ports concurrents du Nord...
Quelle que soit l'origine de ces cafouillages, tout cela doit une fois de plus bien faire rire les ports concurrents du Nord...
je croyait pourtant que tous les adherants cgtgpmh étaient solidaires ???????
je croyait pourtant que tous les adherants cgtgpmh étaient solidaires ???????
Le pb est trés sérieux et je ne vois pas pourquoi les cammionneurs ne refactueraient pas (c'est d'ailleurs leur demande) ses heures d'attente aux opérateurs portuaires dont l'incapacité à faire face aux pics d'activité alors que l'activité est faible, souffrant de la crise économique.
En plus les chauffeurs sont traités comme du bétail par les Dockers rendant le principe du broutage insupportable.
Le pb est trés sérieux et je ne vois pas pourquoi les cammionneurs ne refactueraient pas (c'est d'ailleurs leur demande) ses heures d'attente aux opérateurs portuaires dont l'incapacité à faire face aux pics d'activité alors que l'activité est faible, souffrant de la crise économique.
En plus les chauffeurs sont traités comme du bétail par les Dockers rendant le principe du broutage insupportable.
Le pb est trés sérieux et je ne vois pas pourquoi les cammionneurs ne refactueraient pas (c'est d'ailleurs leur demande) ses heures d'attente aux opérateurs portuaires incapable de faire face aux pics d'activité alors que l'activité est faible, souffrant de la crise économique.
En plus les chauffeurs sont traités comme du bétail par les Dockers rendant le principe du broutage insupportable.
Le pb est trés sérieux et je ne vois pas pourquoi les cammionneurs ne refactueraient pas (c'est d'ailleurs leur demande) ses heures d'attente aux opérateurs portuaires incapable de faire face aux pics d'activité alors que l'activité est faible, souffrant de la crise économique.
En plus les chauffeurs sont traités comme du bétail par les Dockers rendant le principe du broutage insupportable.
La pratique du brouettage est pas logique : plus le chauffeur a de la route à faire plus il attend devant les terminaux et ceux qui seront au chaud chez eux le soir et qui font des petits trajets ont priorité et n'attendent pas. expliquez-moi la logique. Moi je suis chauffeur et je fais tout pour éviter le port du Havre. A anvers c'est mieux il y a des rdv.
La pratique du brouettage est pas logique : plus le chauffeur a de la route à faire plus il attend devant les terminaux et ceux qui seront au chaud chez eux le soir et qui font des petits trajets ont priorité et n'attendent pas. expliquez-moi la logique. Moi je suis chauffeur et je fais tout pour éviter le port du Havre. A anvers c'est mieux il y a des rdv.
Le problème n est pas simplement le brouettage ni les conditions météorologiques de ces dernières semaines. La preuve, il ne neige pas aujourd hui et les camions stationnent encore. On accuse les transporteurs de se présenter tous à la même heure et que de ce fait les terminaux sont engorges. Si les manutentionnaires rajoutaient du personnel et des engins en conséquence, peut être que cela irait un peu mieux... Mais au fait, est ce que les personnes qui s occupent de decharger et charger les containers sur les camions travaillent vraiment 8 heures par jour ?? Est ce que les responsables de la GMP, TN (Les véritables patrons) commandent vraiment ces gens-là ? Il suffirait peut être de se mettre tous au travail avant de penser à son propre intérêt....Quand on voit l investissement fait pour PORT 2000, était il vraiment necessaire alors que tout le monde etait conscient que le port n a jamais marché correctement !!!
Est ce que certains cols blancs en auraient profités au passage ?? Et Ce n est certainement pas fini.... attendons le Grand Paris, le contribuable a certainement encore a donner
A vous lire...
Le problème n est pas simplement le brouettage ni les conditions météorologiques de ces dernières semaines. La preuve, il ne neige pas aujourd hui et les camions stationnent encore. On accuse les transporteurs de se présenter tous à la même heure et que de ce fait les terminaux sont engorges. Si les manutentionnaires rajoutaient du personnel et des engins en conséquence, peut être que cela irait un peu mieux... Mais au fait, est ce que les personnes qui s occupent de decharger et charger les containers sur les camions travaillent vraiment 8 heures par jour ?? Est ce que les responsables de la GMP, TN (Les véritables patrons) commandent vraiment ces gens-là ? Il suffirait peut être de se mettre tous au travail avant de penser à son propre intérêt....Quand on voit l investissement fait pour PORT 2000, était il vraiment necessaire alors que tout le monde etait conscient que le port n a jamais marché correctement !!!
Est ce que certains cols blancs en auraient profités au passage ?? Et Ce n est certainement pas fini.... attendons le Grand Paris, le contribuable a certainement encore a donner
A vous lire...
j'ai été routier pendant des années et personne ne dirige les dockers ils font ce qu'ils veulent et c'est le bordel sur les terminaux. Quand il n'y a pas de brouillard, c'est les grèves quand c'est pas les grèves c'est autres chose... je suis allé souvent sur les terminaux en Belgique et même aux heures de pointe ça roule tout seul pareil en hollande.Le problême c'est les dockers et leur mentalité.Ils se croivent tous permis.Forcément on arrive aux mêmes heures sur les terminaux, c'est logique, c'est à eu de s'adapter. Il est inadmissible de rester des heures sans commodités à attendre que ces messieurs veulent bien travailler.J'ai quitté la profession à cause de ça.
Voila pour mon coup de gueulle.
j'ai été routier pendant des années et personne ne dirige les dockers ils font ce qu'ils veulent et c'est le bordel sur les terminaux. Quand il n'y a pas de brouillard, c'est les grèves quand c'est pas les grèves c'est autres chose... je suis allé souvent sur les terminaux en Belgique et même aux heures de pointe ça roule tout seul pareil en hollande.Le problême c'est les dockers et leur mentalité.Ils se croivent tous permis.Forcément on arrive aux mêmes heures sur les terminaux, c'est logique, c'est à eu de s'adapter. Il est inadmissible de rester des heures sans commodités à attendre que ces messieurs veulent bien travailler.J'ai quitté la profession à cause de ça.
Voila pour mon coup de gueulle.
COMMENT SE FAIT IL QUE C'EST LE BORDEL DEPUIS HIER A TPO ? CERTAI NEMENT PARCE QUE LES PATRONS DE TN SONT DES INCAPABLES ET NE SAVENT TOUJOURS PAS COMMANDER LEURS TROUPES. FERMER LE PORT SERAIS LA MEILLEURE SOLUTION POUR REPARTIR AVEC DU SANG NEUF ET SURTOUT DES GENS POUR TRAVAILLER
COMMENT SE FAIT IL QUE C'EST LE BORDEL DEPUIS HIER A TPO ? CERTAI NEMENT PARCE QUE LES PATRONS DE TN SONT DES INCAPABLES ET NE SAVENT TOUJOURS PAS COMMANDER LEURS TROUPES. FERMER LE PORT SERAIS LA MEILLEURE SOLUTION POUR REPARTIR AVEC DU SANG NEUF ET SURTOUT DES GENS POUR TRAVAILLER
la france est en fallite 4000000de chomeurs , et les trafic passent par les ports etrangers ,une aberation , si tout le monde se donnait un peu la main et discuté pour enfin faire tourner nôtre port , mais non dans ce port voila 50 ans que ça merde !! les hollandais et belges doivent bien rigolés. Quand je vois les magasins ravitaillés par des camions etrangers c'est vraiment triste , je comprends que duboc a 40 camions a l'arret ,que du gâchis.quelqu'un parle de fermer le port je pense qu'il à raison . La au moins on repartirais de zéro sur des bases saines .
la france est en fallite 4000000de chomeurs , et les trafic passent par les ports etrangers ,une aberation , si tout le monde se donnait un peu la main et discuté pour enfin faire tourner nôtre port , mais non dans ce port voila 50 ans que ça merde !! les hollandais et belges doivent bien rigolés. Quand je vois les magasins ravitaillés par des camions etrangers c'est vraiment triste , je comprends que duboc a 40 camions a l'arret ,que du gâchis.quelqu'un parle de fermer le port je pense qu'il à raison . La au moins on repartirais de zéro sur des bases saines .
Quand c'est pas les mecs du port,c'est les dockers vous pouvez vraiment pas nous pifrer !!!!Pourtant nous on vous aime!!!
Quand c'est pas les mecs du port,c'est les dockers vous pouvez vraiment pas nous pifrer !!!!Pourtant nous on vous aime!!!
Que de nous faire chier et donner des leçons balaye devant ta lourde et envoies tes équipes denneiger le havre c'est un carnage et on verra si les poubelles vont passer
Que de nous faire chier et donner des leçons balaye devant ta lourde et envoies tes équipes denneiger le havre c'est un carnage et on verra si les poubelles vont passer
la neige , ça nous embête 5 jours par an , les dockers c'est toute l'année qu'ils détruisent l'activité portuaire.
la neige , ça nous embête 5 jours par an , les dockers c'est toute l'année qu'ils détruisent l'activité portuaire.
mais d'ou te viens cette haine pour les dockers david ?
mais d'ou te viens cette haine pour les dockers david ?
Les petites sociétés de transport sont mises en faillite ; les bateaux vont voir ailleurs.
La CGT coupe la branche sur laquelle elle est assise. Et on dirait qu'elle ne s'en rend même pas compte.
Et les élus, eux, se rendent-ils comptent que bientôt, l'activité économique havraise sera telle que la moitié de leurs projets au moins ne pourront plus être financés ? (stade, tramway, tour, etc ...)
Les petites sociétés de transport sont mises en faillite ; les bateaux vont voir ailleurs.
La CGT coupe la branche sur laquelle elle est assise. Et on dirait qu'elle ne s'en rend même pas compte.
Et les élus, eux, se rendent-ils comptent que bientôt, l'activité économique havraise sera telle que la moitié de leurs projets au moins ne pourront plus être financés ? (stade, tramway, tour, etc ...)
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