Bientôt un Catamaran Rapide entre Le Havre et Portsmouth
Par Marc Migraine le jeudi 8 octobre 2009, 16:42 - Port et économie - Lien permanent
D'après
"Mer et Marine" Le Norman Arrow
va quitter Boulogne son port d'attache depuis juin 2009 pour rejoindre
le Havre, au printemps 2010, où il serait plus adapté
à la ligne Le Havre - Portsmouth. Le ferry actuel, au Havre, Norman Spirit,
sera transféré sur la rotation entre Boulogne et l'Angleterre.
D'autre part le navire en cours de construction le Norman
Leader, est mis à l'eau, aujourd'hui à Singapour et
rejoindra le Havre au 2ème semestre 2010. Ce navire pourra embarquer
950 passagers et affichera une capacité
de 200 véhicules et 60
pièces de fret. Le Norman Leader disposera de 160
cabines, 2 restaurants, 2
bars et 2 salons totalisant 200 sièges inclinables.
La vitesse commerciale sera de 19 noeuds.
Ainsi l'année 2010 sera une grande
année pour la ligne trans-manche que l'on disait moribonde il y a seulement
4 ans.
Au
total 2 nouveaux bateaux sur Le Havre -
Portsmouth pendant l'année 2010 :
- Le Norman Arrow - catamaran rapide - arrivé prévu avant l'été 2010.
- Le Norman Leader - ferry de 162 métres - arrivé prévu au 2ème semestre 2010. Pour plus d'info sur le norman leader cliquez ici
Commentaires
on a vue à dieppe se que donnait les navires rapides , aussi s' il ne donne pas satisfaction à boulogne pourqoi serait'il mieux au havre ???
on a vue à dieppe se que donnait les navires rapides , aussi s' il ne donne pas satisfaction à boulogne pourqoi serait'il mieux au havre ???
J'ai cru lire que le Norman Arrow posait quelques poblèmes techniques d'apontement ou d'amarrage à Boulogne. vrai ou faux ...?
Je ne sais pas si 2010 sera une grande année pour le transmanche au départ du Havre. Je vois plutôt que LD Lines fait face à une baisse générale de fréquentation, comme dans l'aérien ou d'autres services. Ceci explique la valse des ferries depuis plusieurs mois. Les compagnies ajustent comme elles peuvent. D'ailleurs, Mer & Marine écrit aussi que le nouveau ferry des Brittany Ferries, l'Armorique, va être désarmé plusieurs mois et passera probablement l'hiver dans le port du Havre.
Je ne suis pas hyper optimiste sur les liaisons transmanches au Havre, même si le trafic pourrait repartir prochainement à la hausse.
Par ailleurs, qu'en est-il des liaisons de merroutages prévues par notre gouvernement, dont une touchant Le Havre ???
J'ai cru lire que le Norman Arrow posait quelques poblèmes techniques d'apontement ou d'amarrage à Boulogne. vrai ou faux ...?
Je ne sais pas si 2010 sera une grande année pour le transmanche au départ du Havre. Je vois plutôt que LD Lines fait face à une baisse générale de fréquentation, comme dans l'aérien ou d'autres services. Ceci explique la valse des ferries depuis plusieurs mois. Les compagnies ajustent comme elles peuvent. D'ailleurs, Mer & Marine écrit aussi que le nouveau ferry des Brittany Ferries, l'Armorique, va être désarmé plusieurs mois et passera probablement l'hiver dans le port du Havre.
Je ne suis pas hyper optimiste sur les liaisons transmanches au Havre, même si le trafic pourrait repartir prochainement à la hausse.
Par ailleurs, qu'en est-il des liaisons de merroutages prévues par notre gouvernement, dont une touchant Le Havre ???
Faut pas demander ça ici, France 3 ou Paris Normandie en a pas parlé.
Forcément, il n'y aura pas de réponses.
Faut pas demander ça ici, France 3 ou Paris Normandie en a pas parlé.
Forcément, il n'y aura pas de réponses.
Que venez vous cherchez ici alors ?
A part la polémique.
L'avantage d'un blog interactif (a la difference de nombreux sites de politiques qui servent d'auto promotion et de regardez comme on est beau) c'est que ceux qui savent ou croient savoir peuvent poster leur info, et etre contredits ...ou betement attaqués comme vous venez de le faire !
Arnaud
Que venez vous cherchez ici alors ?
A part la polémique.
L'avantage d'un blog interactif (a la difference de nombreux sites de politiques qui servent d'auto promotion et de regardez comme on est beau) c'est que ceux qui savent ou croient savoir peuvent poster leur info, et etre contredits ...ou betement attaqués comme vous venez de le faire !
Arnaud
Et moi je regarde pas France 3, et je ne lis pas Paris Normandie, et encore moins "Mer et Marine"... Au moins j'ai des infos ici, et vos avis toujours éclairés !
Et moi je regarde pas France 3, et je ne lis pas Paris Normandie, et encore moins "Mer et Marine"... Au moins j'ai des infos ici, et vos avis toujours éclairés !
A mon avis et pour l'avoir essayé, le Norman Arrow fera gagner énormément de temps au voyageur.
La distance Boulogne Dover ne lui permet pas de démontrer pleinement son potentiel. Dommage pour Boulogne !
A mon avis et pour l'avoir essayé, le Norman Arrow fera gagner énormément de temps au voyageur.
La distance Boulogne Dover ne lui permet pas de démontrer pleinement son potentiel. Dommage pour Boulogne !
Peut-être qu'un jour, ils baisseront les prix car partir en voiture du Havre pour boulogne vers la GB et prendre le ferry coute moins cher que de partir du Havre. Perso, j'ai pas la fortune de rotchield et partir du nord de la france coute moins cher.
Peut-être qu'un jour, ils baisseront les prix car partir en voiture du Havre pour boulogne vers la GB et prendre le ferry coute moins cher que de partir du Havre. Perso, j'ai pas la fortune de rotchield et partir du nord de la france coute moins cher.
@ Arnaud
Dans l'équipe de foot vous jouez toujours défenseur?
@ Arnaud
Dans l'équipe de foot vous jouez toujours défenseur?
Evidemment que partir du Nord coûte moins cher. C'est tout simplement mathématique car la distance est plus courte.
Evidemment que partir du Nord coûte moins cher. C'est tout simplement mathématique car la distance est plus courte.
La clientèle française de la ligne LH-Portsmouth est composée en partie de bretons ...
Je suis d'accord avec Krykoo. Je viens de faire le calcul de Bouba. Pour un AR sur une semaine, avec traversées de jour, le tarif est de 98 € l'AR Boulogne-Dover, et 190 € LH-Portsmouth.
Sauf que l'AR LH-Boulogne coute 29 € de péages, et environ 60 € de carburant + usure de la voiture. Cela revient donc au même.
Sans compter la fatigue liée à 2h30 x 2 de conduite.
Perso, pour aller en GB, je prends le ferry du Havre, de nuit. Je réalise ainsi une économie d'hôtel !
La clientèle française de la ligne LH-Portsmouth est composée en partie de bretons ...
Je suis d'accord avec Krykoo. Je viens de faire le calcul de Bouba. Pour un AR sur une semaine, avec traversées de jour, le tarif est de 98 € l'AR Boulogne-Dover, et 190 € LH-Portsmouth.
Sauf que l'AR LH-Boulogne coute 29 € de péages, et environ 60 € de carburant + usure de la voiture. Cela revient donc au même.
Sans compter la fatigue liée à 2h30 x 2 de conduite.
Perso, pour aller en GB, je prends le ferry du Havre, de nuit. Je réalise ainsi une économie d'hôtel !
la capacitée fret va etre fortement réduite surtout l'hivers avec le seul cotes d'albatre , on va vers la fin du transmanche au havre !
la capacitée fret va etre fortement réduite surtout l'hivers avec le seul cotes d'albatre , on va vers la fin du transmanche au havre !
Ce n'est pas forcément faux ...
D'où ma question sur le meroutage, qui pourait redonner de l'intérêt au transmanche. Mais là dessus, je ne sais pas ce que font nos chers élus ...
C'est à se demander si l'on veut qu'il y ait toujours du fret au Havre !!! On fait beaucoup pour nous faire dépenser de l'argent (Docks = piscine+ cinema+commerces+magasins dits d'usine+centre de devlpt machin), mais pas grand chose pour nous aider à en gagner.
Ce n'est pas forcément faux ...
D'où ma question sur le meroutage, qui pourait redonner de l'intérêt au transmanche. Mais là dessus, je ne sais pas ce que font nos chers élus ...
C'est à se demander si l'on veut qu'il y ait toujours du fret au Havre !!! On fait beaucoup pour nous faire dépenser de l'argent (Docks = piscine+ cinema+commerces+magasins dits d'usine+centre de devlpt machin), mais pas grand chose pour nous aider à en gagner.
@Arnaud.Je pense que chacun peut exprimer un avis sans déclencher des réponses incendiaires surtout sur un blog démocrate et quand on fait partie de la vie politique on s'expose aux opinions des administrés.Quant à une nouvelle ligne,rendons notre ville encore plus attractive en étant des citoyens havrais accueillants.
@Arnaud.Je pense que chacun peut exprimer un avis sans déclencher des réponses incendiaires surtout sur un blog démocrate et quand on fait partie de la vie politique on s'expose aux opinions des administrés.Quant à une nouvelle ligne,rendons notre ville encore plus attractive en étant des citoyens havrais accueillants.
Depuis quelques mois LD LINES fait vraiment n'importe quoi, du moin s'est se que tout le monde croit , il fallait garder le Norman Voyager au Havre et non le louer à Celtic qui vient désormait nous concurrencer à Cherbourg qui peut maintenant se renforcer et comme par hazart qui gère désormais ce port ..... Louis Dreyfus bien sur qui a certainement calculer qu'il valait mieux gérrer un port plutot que d'ètre opérateur transmanche quitte à couler ses propres lignes en mettant des navires inadaptés dans chaque port... ainsi le ménage va vite ètre fait !!!
Depuis quelques mois LD LINES fait vraiment n'importe quoi, du moin s'est se que tout le monde croit , il fallait garder le Norman Voyager au Havre et non le louer à Celtic qui vient désormait nous concurrencer à Cherbourg qui peut maintenant se renforcer et comme par hazart qui gère désormais ce port ..... Louis Dreyfus bien sur qui a certainement calculer qu'il valait mieux gérrer un port plutot que d'ètre opérateur transmanche quitte à couler ses propres lignes en mettant des navires inadaptés dans chaque port... ainsi le ménage va vite ètre fait !!!
Sur le calcul, c'est pas grave y'a des promos tout le temps pour les étudiants. Rien au Havre. A quand le voyage à 2 euros comme m'en parle mon père...
Sur le calcul, c'est pas grave y'a des promos tout le temps pour les étudiants. Rien au Havre. A quand le voyage à 2 euros comme m'en parle mon père...
çà va etre maran
çà va etre maran
ou une cata??
ou une cata??
Une idée de la durée de la traversée espérée avec ce NGV au départ du Havre?
Par mer calme j'y crois mais la Manche l'hiver entre le Havre et Portsmouth c'est rarement mer d'huile, ça va vite le calmer le Norman Arrow non ?
Une idée de la durée de la traversée espérée avec ce NGV au départ du Havre?
Par mer calme j'y crois mais la Manche l'hiver entre le Havre et Portsmouth c'est rarement mer d'huile, ça va vite le calmer le Norman Arrow non ?
LD LINE a bien calculer son coup pour couler le transmanche au Havre et ensuite se repositionner à Boulogne et Cherbourg , en effet cet hiver ne subsiterra que le Cotes d'Albatre qui comme chacun sait est le ferrie à plus petite capacitée du transmanche avec un seul départ de jour alors que les routiers préfèrent les traversées de nuit .... Et pour couronner le tout arrivée en avril du Norman Arrow qui aujourdhui on le sait a des avaries de moteur à répétition , une capacitée fret limitée et travaille avec difficultée sur une passerelle double pont comme chez nous .... J'ai du mal à croire que celà n'est pas préméditée comme Stena fit il y à quelques années à Dieppe en lancant le navire rapide Pegasus qui devait booster la ligne et qui ne fit que précipiter son naufrage !!!!!!
LD LINE a bien calculer son coup pour couler le transmanche au Havre et ensuite se repositionner à Boulogne et Cherbourg , en effet cet hiver ne subsiterra que le Cotes d'Albatre qui comme chacun sait est le ferrie à plus petite capacitée du transmanche avec un seul départ de jour alors que les routiers préfèrent les traversées de nuit .... Et pour couronner le tout arrivée en avril du Norman Arrow qui aujourdhui on le sait a des avaries de moteur à répétition , une capacitée fret limitée et travaille avec difficultée sur une passerelle double pont comme chez nous .... J'ai du mal à croire que celà n'est pas préméditée comme Stena fit il y à quelques années à Dieppe en lancant le navire rapide Pegasus qui devait booster la ligne et qui ne fit que précipiter son naufrage !!!!!!
@ moi
Le Côte d'Albatre ne partira plus de nuit, cet hiver ?
J'ai peur que vos arguments soient fondés, malheureusement.
Et cette semaine, notre "cher" maire a suggéré que le futur TGV soit connecté au tunnel sous la manche, pour relier Le Havre à la GB en train.
A croire qu'au Havre, on ne veut plus, comme bateaux, que des porte-containers cachés à Port 2000, et rien d'autre.
D'ailleurs, on a compris depuis longtemps qu'on ne voulait plus non plus d'industrie. On ne veut plus non plus d'aéroport.
Bref, on veut uniquement du tertiaire et un tramway pour aller faire ses courses le week end (car les commerces, eux, ont le droit de bosser même le dimanche). Or, ce n'est pas cela, Le Havre.
@ moi
Le Côte d'Albatre ne partira plus de nuit, cet hiver ?
J'ai peur que vos arguments soient fondés, malheureusement.
Et cette semaine, notre "cher" maire a suggéré que le futur TGV soit connecté au tunnel sous la manche, pour relier Le Havre à la GB en train.
A croire qu'au Havre, on ne veut plus, comme bateaux, que des porte-containers cachés à Port 2000, et rien d'autre.
D'ailleurs, on a compris depuis longtemps qu'on ne voulait plus non plus d'industrie. On ne veut plus non plus d'aéroport.
Bref, on veut uniquement du tertiaire et un tramway pour aller faire ses courses le week end (car les commerces, eux, ont le droit de bosser même le dimanche). Or, ce n'est pas cela, Le Havre.
Demande à stena ce qu'il fait de ses navires rapides .... Et bien il les désarma préférant les remplacer par des ferries classiques....
Demande à stena ce qu'il fait de ses navires rapides .... Et bien il les désarma préférant les remplacer par des ferries classiques....
Je lis dans l'antenne que le birka exporter viendra remplacer jusqu'à la fin de l'année le norman spirit qui part sur boulogne.
Le birka exporter est un "fréteur" pur sans passager.
Je lis dans l'antenne que le birka exporter viendra remplacer jusqu'à la fin de l'année le norman spirit qui part sur boulogne.
Le birka exporter est un "fréteur" pur sans passager.
que se passe t'il une fois que se frètteur sera rendue à son armateur ? Le Cotes D'Albatres ne pourrat effectuer seul un service fiable sur cette ligne !
que se passe t'il une fois que se frètteur sera rendue à son armateur ? Le Cotes D'Albatres ne pourrat effectuer seul un service fiable sur cette ligne !
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